I found this on Raging Bull. No original source cited.
Did you know....
that 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been built in Iraq?

Did you know that Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2004 for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5- 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operation squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 bell jet rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq?
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a recent televised debate recently?

WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?-OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Because a Bush- hating media and Democratic Party would rather see the world blow up than lose their power.

Instead of shouting these accomplishments from every rooftop, they would rather show photo's of what a few perverted malcontent soldiers have done in prisons in many cases never disclosing the circumstances surrounding the events.

Instead of showing our love for our country, we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib and people throwing snowballs at presidential motorcades.

The lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves only one purpose. It undermines the world's perception of the United States and our soldiers.


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.

I wonder how much of that the US set up and how much was already there when we arrived?

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Iraq is no expansive desert, yes it is a country with cities and buildings and people, I don't think anyone was debating that. What people do seem to be debating is the resons for going into Iraq in the first place (WMDs/Liberating Iraqis/Oil - whichever may or may not be true I don't know) and the fact that troops are still placed in Iraq with many Americans supporting the pulling out of troops due to the fact I think that the allied forces casualties are unnacceptable for a mission which should be nearing completion or should already have been completed, if embarked upon at all.

Pads4Life wrote:

Instead of shouting these accomplishments from every rooftop, they would rather show photo's of what a few perverted malcontent soldiers have done in prisons in many cases never disclosing the circumstances surrounding the events.

I understand what you mean, but the circumstances are irrelevant. These are human rights violations.
But I do agree that the media in no way reports the positive aspects of the allied 'occupation' of Iraq. This is because it is such a complex issue, and it is very easy to twist or ignore the facts.


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Team_180B wrote:

I wonder how much of that the US set up and how much was already there when we arrived?

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Iraq is no expansive desert, yes it is a country with cities and buildings and people, I don't think anyone was debating that. What people do seem to be debating is the resons for going into Iraq in the first place (WMDs/Liberating Iraqis/Oil - whichever may or may not be true I don't know) and the fact that troops are still placed in Iraq with many Americans supporting the pulling out of troops due to the fact I think that the allied forces casualties are unnacceptable for a mission which should be nearing completion or should already have been completed, if embarked upon at all.

The latest headline from "Time" magazine was:
"Is it too late to win the war?"

Pads4Life wrote:

Instead of shouting these accomplishments from every rooftop, they would rather show photo's of what a few perverted malcontent soldiers have done in prisons in many cases never disclosing the circumstances surrounding the events.

I understand what you mean, but the circumstances are irrelevant. These are human rights violations.[/quote]
agreed.


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.

Pads4Life wrote:

The latest headline from "Time" magazine was:
"Is it too late to win the war?"

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

TEAM EDIT: Yes I do, I think something like a military operation in a foreign nation can easily be twisted, because there isn't an overwhelming flow of information coming though because of security, add that onto the bias against Bush and you've got all kinds of stuff happening in Iraq.
And I agree that the allies are probably generally doing good things in Iraq, I just question Bush's honesty in the begginning of the campaign post 9/11.


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All good points, but just because alot of good stuff is happened, in no way should the bad be ignored, in no way should innocent deaths go unheard of.


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nish wrote:

All good points, but just because alot of good stuff is happened, in no way should the bad be ignored, in no way should innocent deaths go unheard of.

There are innocent casualties in any war nish. Give me a break, it happens. Innocents unfortunaitly get stuck in the middle of a war and it sucks. That should never be a reason for not going ot war because of civillian casualties.

How many innocent Iraqis died? less than 100? compared to how many being freed? over 15 million?

When you reach for an excuse like 'innocents died' it means you are just trying to look for something wrong with the war. trying to find errors.

As a matter of fact, even from the media, i never even heard about any large amounts of innocents dieing.


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.

over 700 innocents died during the bombing of Falujah, hundreds of them children.


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nish wrote:

over 700 innocents died during the bombing of Falujah, hundreds of them children.

Looks like somebody better call the

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
Min. 26323

Max. 29653


http://www.iraqbodycount.net/


less than 100? wtf are you talking about?


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Glaeqon wrote:

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq
Min. 26323

Max. 29653


http://www.iraqbodycount.net/


less than 100? wtf are you talking about?

HAHAH IRAQBODYCOUNT.NET?!?!

yah that sounds like a completely moderate webpage to me

give me a break

i GAURENTEE it is no where near that number

NOT EVEN CLOSE


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.

How the hell can you guarantee that?


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Team_180B wrote:

How the hell can you guarantee that?

Because it shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge about how our military works.

We bombed all military bases. Yes, there were civilian casualties, we never used any BIG bombs, they were all tomohawks. Our technology has gotten to the point where we can single out a specific room in a 30 story business building and destroy it from 100 miles away. You don't kill 25,000 people with that kind of technology. On top of that, all of the small towns with small military presence where taken over on foot by the marines and army.

That webpage is pure horsecrap. If we killed 30,000 civilians in Iraq it would be the biggest human tragedy commited by the US since the bombing of Japan.


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.

It is unlikely the Iraqi casualties were such a low number as you suggested Pads, but I think that numbers nearing 30,000 could be exagurated but I can not guarantee which if either is true.
You accuse us of being constantly mislead by our 'liberal media', but I think you are all too quick to blindly defend baseless facts.


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Team_180B wrote:

It is unlikely the Iraqi casualties were such a low number as you suggested Pads, but I think that numbers nearing 30,000 could be exagurated but I can not guarantee which if either is true.
You accuse us of being constantly mislead by our 'liberal media', but I think you are all too quick to blindly defend baseless facts.

Haha, theres barely enough liberal media for us to go on when you've got something like Fox News on the air.


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nish wrote:

Team_180B wrote:

It is unlikely the Iraqi casualties were such a low number as you suggested Pads, but I think that numbers nearing 30,000 could be exagurated but I can not guarantee which if either is true.
You accuse us of being constantly mislead by our 'liberal media', but I think you are all too quick to blindly defend baseless facts.

Haha, theres barely enough liberal media for us to go on when you've got something like Fox News on the air.

Give me a break.

CNN
CSNBC
HBO
NBC
CBS
ABC
Every US National Newspaper (LA TIMES NY TIMES which i believe are also international)

The Conservatives have FOX News and the majority of the radio.


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tat6789 wrote:

i gave this job to Team because I know he doesn't have a soul.